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		<title>I Made Two AI Chatbots Argue About My Bar License. Here&#8217;s What Happened.</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[By Wallace Francis  It started as a research exercise and turned into something I have never seen described anywhere in the legal press: two competing artificial intelligence systems, from two competing companies, engaged in a substantive disagreement about whether my law practice was adequately protecting attorney-client privilege, with my bar license as the stakes. Claude  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><em>By Wallace Francis </em></p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">It started as a research exercise and turned into something I have never seen described anywhere in the legal press: two competing artificial intelligence systems, from two competing companies, engaged in a substantive disagreement about whether my law practice was adequately protecting attorney-client privilege, with my bar license as the stakes.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude thought I had a problem. Gemini disagreed. Then Gemini agreed with Claude. Then they argued about my contract. The disagreement was real, the legal analysis was substantive, and by the end of the conversation I had learned more about AI and privilege than I had from anything else I had read on the subject.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Here is what happened, what they argued about, and what it means for every California attorney using AI tools right now.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">The Setup</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The February 2026 ruling in <em>United States v. Heppner</em> sent me back to basics. It is the first federal court decision to hold that a client&#8217;s AI-generated documents are not protected by attorney-client privilege, and it raised immediate questions about what that meant for my practice and for the practices of every solo and small firm attorney in California.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I practice family law as a solo attorney. I use Google Workspace with Gemini, specifically the AI Ultra Access tier. My clients, like most clients in 2026, use AI constantly, including sometimes in connection with their legal matters.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">So I did what any attorney would do when confronting a new legal question: I researched it. The twist is that I used AI to do the research, which meant I was simultaneously using the tools I was researching, asking questions about the tools I was using, and eventually turning the tools against each other to see what happened.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What happened was illuminating.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">Round One: Claude Gets Cautious</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I started with Claude because <em>Heppner</em> involved Claude specifically and I wanted to understand the ruling&#8217;s implications from the source, so to speak.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude&#8217;s analysis of <em>Heppner</em> was crisp and accurate. Senior U.S. District Judge Jed S. Rakoff had rejected privilege and work product protection on three independent grounds. First, Claude is not an attorney and cannot form a privileged relationship. Second, Anthropic&#8217;s consumer privacy policy destroys any reasonable expectation of confidentiality by reserving the right to disclose user data to third parties including governmental authorities. Third, the defendant&#8217;s attorneys had never directed him to use Claude. He acted entirely on his own initiative, which independently defeated the work product claim.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude was also clear about what the ruling left open. The court explicitly acknowledged that attorney-directed use on an enterprise platform with strong contractual confidentiality protections might present a materially different analysis. That acknowledgment is where the practical framework for AI use in legal practice begins.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">When I told Claude I was using Google Workspace with Gemini, Claude asked the question I should have been asking myself: had I actually verified what contractual protections governed my account, or was I relying on product representations?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I told Claude I had gone through the same questions with Gemini directly, and that Gemini had confirmed the key protections. No training on my data, no human review, session data cleared after each conversation.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude&#8217;s response was pointed and, in retrospect, exactly right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">&#8220;That&#8217;s a problem on a few levels,&#8221; Claude said. &#8220;You&#8217;ve been asking the tool that has a financial interest in your continued use of it whether you should trust it. That&#8217;s not a neutral source. Gemini&#8217;s answers about its own data practices are not legally reliable. It&#8217;s telling you what it knows about Google&#8217;s general policies, not what your specific contract says, not what is actually happening on the backend, and not what a court would find persuasive. It&#8217;s essentially marketing material dressed up as an answer.&#8221;</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude then asked whether I had actually read my Data Processing Agreement.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I had not.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude declined to simply retype its analysis for me to feed into Gemini, which I had asked it to do, on the grounds that Gemini confirming Claude&#8217;s analysis would not constitute independent verification of anything. &#8220;If you enter my analysis into Gemini and Gemini confirms it, you&#8217;ll feel reassured, but nothing will have actually changed. You&#8217;ll still have no verified contract, no written confirmation from a human at Google, and no document you can attach to a declaration if privilege is ever challenged.&#8221;</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">This was the moment I decided to do something I had not originally planned: take the argument directly to Gemini and see what happened.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">Round Two: Gemini Responds</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I shared Claude&#8217;s analysis with Gemini verbatim and asked for its assessment.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Gemini&#8217;s response was disarmingly candid.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">&#8220;Claude is playing the role of a very cautious, risk-averse senior law partner,&#8221; Gemini said, &#8220;and that point is professionally sound for an attorney.&#8221;</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Gemini agreed with Claude on every substantive legal point that mattered. It acknowledged that its own responses do not constitute binding representations from Google LLC. It acknowledged that a court would look to the written contract, not the chatbot&#8217;s sidebar. It agreed that the distinction between what the technology does and what the company is legally bound to do is real and legally significant. It even agreed that asking an AI to verify its own trustworthiness is a circular exercise that does not help an attorney&#8217;s legal standing.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Where Gemini pushed back was narrow. It characterized Claude as being somewhat dramatic and argued that Google Workspace customers are covered by a real Data Processing Agreement. They just typically haven&#8217;t located or saved it. Gemini then walked me through exactly where to find it in the Admin Console.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Two AI systems from competing companies had now told me the same thing: stop relying on AI representations and go find the actual contract.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I went and found it.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">Round Three: The Contract Dispute</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">This is where things got genuinely interesting.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I uploaded my Google Cloud Data Processing Addendum to Claude and asked for an analysis. Claude read it carefully and identified what it characterized as a critical missing piece. The addendum covers Google Workspace generally but may not specifically cover Gemini, which could be classified as an Additional Product that the addendum explicitly excludes from coverage. Section 5.3 of the document states that the addendum does not apply to the processing of personal data in connection with Additional Products.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">If Gemini was an Additional Product rather than a core Service, Claude argued, then none of the addendum&#8217;s protections extended to my Gemini usage at all. Not the training prohibition, not the confidentiality obligations, not the CCPA provisions.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I took that analysis back to Gemini.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Gemini disagreed, and the disagreement was substantive.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">For Workspace customers with AI Ultra Access, Gemini argued, Gemini is not an Additional Product. It is a core Service integrated into Workspace. Every protection in the addendum therefore extends to my Gemini usage. The training prohibition in Section 5.2 restricts Google to processing data only to provide, secure, and monitor the Services. Because training a general AI model is legally distinct from providing a service to a specific customer, using my data for training would breach that provision regardless of how the product is labeled.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Gemini also responded to Claude&#8217;s concern about data retention. Claude had flagged a gap between Gemini&#8217;s claim of session-by-session clearing and the contract&#8217;s actual deletion timeline. Gemini characterized the relevant retention window as standard enterprise data processing language reflecting the time required to purge data from backup systems, not evidence of active retention or review, but evidence of routine operational process.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I put Gemini&#8217;s response back to Claude.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Claude&#8217;s answer was measured. The Service versus Additional Product question, Claude acknowledged, was a real argument and probably the right one. The documentation that would prove it is not anything either AI could provide. It has to come from Google itself.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">That sent me back to primary sources. What I found resolved the dispute.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">What the Documents Actually Showed</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Google&#8217;s Generative AI in Google Workspace Privacy Hub, updated March 13, 2026, states plainly that Gemini is a core Workspace service, that user prompts are Customer Data governed by the Cloud Data Processing Addendum, and that Google does not use that data to train or fine-tune its generative AI models without permission. No human review occurs without permission. These are not chatbot representations. They are Google&#8217;s published administrator documentation, explicitly linking AI Ultra Access usage to the same contractual framework that governs the rest of Google Workspace.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The billing record that had initially seemed to complicate the analysis turned out to support it. AI Ultra Access appearing as a separate line item on a commercial invoice issued to the Law Offices of Wallace Francis PC established the account as a business-to-business relationship governed by Google&#8217;s commercial terms rather than a consumer click-through agreement. Combined with the Admin Console privacy commitment visible in my account settings, the documentation trail was complete.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I set conversation retention to 90 days in my Admin Console, the minimum period the Privacy Hub identifies as administrator-controllable, and saved the complete documentation set.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What Claude had correctly identified as a gap turned out, on investigation, to be filled. The adversarial process worked exactly as intended. One AI identified the weakest point in the argument. The investigation of that point produced the document that answered it.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">What the Argument Revealed</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What struck me most about this exchange was not the conclusion. It was the process.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">At every stage, both AI systems were clear about the limits of their own authority. Neither claimed to be a definitive source. Both pushed me toward primary documents. Both identified the same core principle independently: what matters legally is not what the AI says about the contract, but what the contract says about the AI.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">That epistemic modesty is actually useful for attorneys trying to use these tools responsibly. The tools are not trying to deceive you about their limitations. They will tell you, if you ask the right questions, exactly where their representations end and verified documentation begins.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The adversarial structure also produced something I did not expect: a genuinely useful contract interpretation argument that I would have needed a technology attorney to develop on my own. The Section 5.2 training prohibition analysis, the Service versus Additional Product distinction, the CCPA prohibition on third-party disclosure. These are real legal arguments grounded in real contract language, and they emerged from a conversation that cost me an evening rather than a legal fee.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">What Heppner Actually Decided — And What It Didn&#8217;t</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Senior U.S. District Judge Jed S. Rakoff ruled in <em>Heppner</em> that the defendant&#8217;s AI-generated documents were not protected by attorney-client privilege or the work product doctrine. The defendant, a former CEO facing federal securities fraud charges, had used consumer Claude after receiving a grand jury subpoena to analyze his legal exposure. He later shared the AI-generated documents with his defense counsel. When the FBI seized his devices, he claimed protection.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The court rejected the claims on three grounds. Claude is not an attorney and cannot form a privileged relationship. Anthropic&#8217;s consumer privacy policy destroys confidentiality by reserving the right to disclose user data to governmental authorities. And the defendant&#8217;s attorneys had never directed him to use Claude, which independently defeated the work product claim because that doctrine protects materials prepared at counsel&#8217;s direction, not materials a client independently generates.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">It is worth noting what <em>Heppner</em> is and is not. It is a single district court decision in the Southern District of New York, not binding on California courts, and its reasoning has genuine vulnerabilities. The court&#8217;s logic that a privacy policy permitting disclosure destroys confidentiality would, taken to its conclusion, apply equally to email providers, cloud storage services, and phone carriers, none of which courts have treated as privilege-destroying third parties. Rakoff did not meaningfully engage with those analogies.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The more immediately useful counterpoint comes from <em>Warner v. Gilbarco</em> (E.D. Mich. Feb. 2026), decided the same month. There, the court denied a motion to compel discovery into a party&#8217;s use of AI tools in connection with litigation, holding that AI-assisted internal analysis and drafting were protected by the work product doctrine and that use of ChatGPT did not waive that protection absent disclosure to an adversary. The law is genuinely unsettled. <em>Heppner</em> and <em>Warner</em> are pulling in different directions, and appellate courts have not yet weighed in.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">The Three Variables That Determine Privilege Risk</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Taken together, <em>Heppner</em> and <em>Warner</em> establish that privilege risk from AI use turns on three variables operating simultaneously: who is using the tool, on what platform, and at whose direction.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Who is using the tool matters because client-side AI use is categorically more dangerous than attorney-side use. A client who independently enters privileged information into any AI platform creates disclosure risk regardless of what the attorney does. The <em>Heppner</em> court&#8217;s footnote noting that inputting privileged information into a consumer AI tool may waive privilege over the underlying attorney communications is particularly alarming in a family law context, where clients are often processing emotionally charged situations in real time and reaching for whatever tool is at hand. A client who types out what their attorney told them about asset division, or who uses AI to rehearse their deposition answers, may inadvertently waive protection over communications and strategy that took considerable effort to develop.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What platform matters because the distinction between consumer and enterprise AI tools is not about features. It is about contractual commitments. Consumer tools generally reserve the right to use data for training and to disclose it to third parties. Commercial Workspace accounts with AI Ultra Access are governed by the Cloud Data Processing Addendum and Google&#8217;s Privacy Hub commitments, which contractually restrict those uses. What matters legally is not what the tool does by default, but what the signed contract requires.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Whose direction matters most for practical purposes. When counsel directs a client or staff member to use AI as part of litigation preparation, for a specific purpose, on an authorized platform, within a defined scope, the materials generated bear counsel&#8217;s strategic imprint and constitute absolute work product under California Code of Civil Procedure section 2018.030(a). Absolute work product cannot be pierced by any showing of good cause. That protection is categorically unavailable when AI use is client-initiated without counsel&#8217;s direction. The distinction between <em>Heppner</em> and <em>Warner</em> maps almost exactly onto this variable: unsupervised client use lost, counsel-directed use won.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">The Subpoena Question</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Family law practitioners should also think carefully about the practical mechanics of AI-related discovery disputes, because the subpoena is the instrument that makes this theoretical risk concrete.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">A subpoena to an AI company is not self-executing. The requesting party must establish good cause. A blanket demand for all AI prompts related to a case with no specific factual predicate is a textbook fishing expedition subject to a motion to quash under California Code of Civil Procedure sections 1985.3 and 1987.1, supported by California Constitution Article I section 1&#8217;s express right to privacy and the proportionality requirements of Code of Civil Procedure section 2017.020.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The work product doctrine provides additional insulation for attorney-directed AI use. Prompts entered by an attorney, or by a client at counsel&#8217;s specific direction, reflect counsel&#8217;s mental impressions, legal theories, and litigation strategy in their most unfiltered form. That is the definition of absolute work product under California Code of Civil Procedure section 2018.030(a), and no good cause showing reaches it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">If a subpoena arrives directed at your AI provider, move immediately. File both a motion to quash and a motion for protective order. Notify the AI company&#8217;s legal department directly that you are asserting privilege and work product protection over the subpoenaed records. Major technology companies have legal teams experienced in these disputes and will typically pause production pending court resolution if properly notified. Push hard for in camera review before any production is ordered.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The realistic risk of a successful AI subpoena in an ordinary family law matter is substantially lower than the theoretical risk <em>Heppner</em> created. Most opposing counsel will not have the resources or inclination to pursue AI subpoena litigation. But the risk is real, it is growing, and the attorneys who have their documentation in order when it arrives will be in a categorically better position than those who do not.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">What I Changed</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The argument between two AI systems produced a concrete action list that any solo practitioner can implement before the next client intake.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I added an AI use provision to my standard engagement letter. In plain English it tells clients not to enter any information about their matter into any AI tool without my specific prior written authorization, and explains that doing so could make that information available to the other side even if they delete it afterward. Clients understand this language. It takes five minutes to add and creates the documented notice that supports a privilege argument if AI use ever becomes an issue.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I implemented a practice of sending brief written direction whenever I instruct a client or staff member to perform any AI-assisted task connected to a matter. A one-line email documenting the specific task, the authorized platform, and that the work is being performed at my direction converts client AI use from an independent act that defeats work product protection into counsel-directed agency work that supports it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">I located, reviewed, and saved my Google Cloud Data Processing Addendum, the March 2026 Privacy Hub documentation, and my Admin Console privacy settings confirmation. I set conversation retention to 90 days. These documents now live in a dedicated compliance folder. If privilege is ever challenged, I can point to specific contractual provisions, Google&#8217;s own published administrator documentation, and account settings I personally configured, rather than a chatbot&#8217;s representation.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">None of this took more than a few hours. All of it is defensible. The combination of a documented platform choice, a verified contractual framework, and written evidence of attorney direction provides a foundation for privilege and work product arguments that the <em>Heppner</em> defendant entirely lacked.</p>
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<h2 class="text-text-100 mt-3 -mb-1 text-[1.125rem] font-bold">The Broader Picture</h2>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">California&#8217;s duty of technological competence requires attorneys to understand the tools they use and their implications for client confidentiality. That duty does not require perfect knowledge of an evolving area of law. It requires reasonable inquiry, documented decision-making, and proactive steps to protect client interests as the law develops.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">This area is moving fast. <em>Heppner</em> was decided in February 2026 and is already generating significant commentary and litigation. Bar guidance is evolving. Appellate courts have not yet spoken. The attorneys who engage seriously with these questions now, rather than waiting for the law to fully settle, will be better positioned to protect their clients and themselves when the dust clears.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Reasonable inquiry, it turns out, can include making two AI systems argue with each other about your contract. They will tell you things worth knowing, as long as you remember that the argument points you toward the document, and the document is where the protection actually lives.</p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><em>Wallace Francis is a family law attorney licensed in California practicing in Santa Rosa. This article is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice. The legal landscape around AI and attorney-client privilege is actively evolving; consult your state bar&#8217;s current ethics guidance for standards applicable to your specific practice. Case citations should be independently verified before use in any court filing.</em></p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><em>A note on methodology: This article was developed using the adversarial research process it describes. The legal conclusions, narrative direction, factual verification against primary source documents, and final editing were the author&#8217;s own. Structural drafting and contract analysis were assisted by Claude and Gemini, both operating within the contractually protected Workspace environment documented above. The irony of using AI to write about AI privilege was not lost on the author.</em></p><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/i-made-two-ai-chatbots-argue-about-my-bar-license-heres-what-happened/">I Made Two AI Chatbots Argue About My Bar License. Here’s What Happened.</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the salient features of family law cases is lying: parties lie, lawyers lie, witnesses lie. One of the other features is that people rarely get punished for it. The lying is so pervasive that it's often not possible for the court to sort out who is telling the truth without investing a  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% / 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-1"><p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the salient features of family law cases is lying: parties lie, lawyers lie, witnesses lie. One of the other features is that people rarely get punished for it. The lying is so pervasive that it&#8217;s often not possible for the court to sort out who is telling the truth without investing a tremendous amount of time in reviewing the files, which is actually the best way to figure out who is telling the truth.</p>
<p>How do you spot a liar, and does it matter if you do? These are the two big questions.</p>
<p>1. Spotting a liar is not easy, but it also is far from impossible. </p>
<p>Reviewing documentation can provided direct evidence of a lie, for example bank statements showing money in an account that the person has previously denied exists. Or the absence of information in the bank statements which other documents shows must exist. Video evidence, social media evidence all can be powerful evidence. There is also statements by parties themselves which contradict themselves. For example, a party who claims they have earned $200 per month with $10,000 in expenses. Document everything.</p>
<p>The worst and most ineffective way to spot a liar is by use of intuition, which is there are some people who believe they have this god-given ability to determine a lie when they hear one. Studies show this is simply not true.</p>
<p>The second worse, and related, are the cues people can give while telling a lie. While some people will give off the appearance of lying by halting, mixing up their stories, or not giving eye contact, there is no evidence anyone can actually determine a lie by such means. It&#8217;s simply mythology, and unfortunately solidified in Evidence Code 780, which actually states demeanor is an important factor to determine veracity.</p>
<p>Does it matter if you do spot a liar? Well, it depends on the Judge. Some judges are not terribly interested in identifying a liar: they assume everyone is and are looking for a way to settle the case or make a quick decision that is probably just. Others see it differently. Turning a blind eye to rampant lying simply kicks the can down the road, and potentially creates successive generations of family law litigants. Unfairness stays with you, it can define your whole being and existence. When resolution, rather than justice, becomes the goal, people remember that.</p>
</div></div></div></div></div><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/how-to-catch-a-liar-in-a-divorce-case/">How to catch a liar in a divorce case</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>Discovery, Domestic Violence and Family Code 6309: did the legislature really help?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2024 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As of Jan.1, 2024 a new law came into effect that clarifies existing ambiguity in the law regarding whether a party can engage in discovery in the context of Domestic Violence Restraining Order. Whereas before the answer depended upon what judge you went in front of and in what county, the new answer is  [...]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As of Jan.1, 2024 a new law came into effect that clarifies existing ambiguity in the law regarding whether a party can engage in discovery in the context of Domestic Violence Restraining Order. Whereas before the answer depended upon what judge you went in front of and in what county, the new answer is a qualified yes.</p>
<p>In my experience, the situation absolutely needed clarification and in my opinion, as I wrote years ago, the court should grant discovery in DVRO&#8217;s as a matter of right for the sake of everyone involved. The counterargument to that in terms of public policy is that it is desirable for such matters to not drag out and be expedited. Victims of DV, according to this line of thinking, do not need this hanging over their head unresolved and should not be subject to discovery abuse, even though there is likely already a TRO in place to protect the protected party as much as a permanent DVRO would.</p>
<p>The problem with that line of thinking is that courts ALREADY HAVE BROAD DISCRETION to deny or permit discovery on almost every issue, and you cannot even realistically appeal such orders. The court already had the power, prior to FC6309, to say &#8220;no&#8221;.</p>
<p>While the legislature clearly envisions victims of DV facing the kind of abuse often engaged in by attorneys in family law cases, that has not been my experience. The only discovery I have ever seen in a DVRO case was a deposition, which is a completely reasonable measure in almost every way since it informs both sides as to the strengths and weaknesses of their case and tests the truth in a way that should not be first tested at trial. The element of surprise is a very useful tool when dealing with people who are lying.  Likewise, a  convincing witness can convince an attorney very quickly that a trial is a bad idea.</p>
<p>Given the detailed mission statement found at the beginning of FC6309, it is very clear that the legislature has not considered the possibility that a DVRO itself can be a weapon in hands of an abuser. False accusations of DV are abuse, but it would seem there is not much political capital to be found in pointing that out.  The view from the trenches for me is a little different.</p>
<p>Now comes FC6309 which makes my cases in which I represent the abused no easier (for whatever reason, nobody has ever asked for discovery in cases where I represent the abused) but makes cases where I represent the falsely accused that much harder.</p>
<p>Now, according to this statute I have to actually appear at the trial for the first time, and in the middle of the trial ask for a continuance if I reach a place where I need discovery. I would not want to be representing someone facing false allegations in such an instance, I would not want to be the judge in that instance, but I would want to be the moving party since it places all the burden on everyone else, on the fly, in the middle of what is quite possibly a hotly contested trial. </p>
<p>I then have to argue &#8220;good cause&#8221; for any requests that I bring, after the other side has already had a preview of my potential evidence. Their story can then get better with the telling. I lose any advantage I may have in being able to surprise a witness who may not be telling the whole truth. And the reason for this is because there is a need for the abused to have this matter heard as quickly as possible, using the lowest standard of evidence available to us, which is the preponderance of the evidence.</p>
<p>Then, if there are children in the mix, that party who has achieved a DVRO as quickly possible, with no discovery permitted,using the lowest standard of evidence, then gets to argue that there is a presumption against joint or sole custody in favor of the person who is subject to the DVRO. Family Code 3044 arguably now creates serious due process issues for a party who has children and faces a DVRO where discovery is eliminated or truncated by a Judge&#8217;s decision.</p>
<p>While I am glad to see the legislature trying to fix the ambiguity of what discovery to permit, I think it would be have been smarter to provide for very limited discovery as a matter of right, in the form of a single deposition or small document demand. This &#8220;show your cards&#8221; statute is, in my opinion, a statute too easily abused and not really even that useful to the abused given the way these were already handled, at least in the counties I practice.  It solved one problem and created another.</p>
<p>False accusations of domestic violence are a form of domestic violence. When they are taken seriously, they make abused people less safe because they make abused people less likely to be believed by anyone who has seen a DVRO issued against someone they know is innocent. If we are truly interested in protecting abused parties, then we need to think carefully about measuring the balance between a quick decision and a well-informed decision based upon the available facts.  </p></p>
</div></div></div></div></div><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/discovery-domestic-violence-and-family-code-6309-did-the-legislature-really-help/">Discovery, Domestic Violence and Family Code 6309: did the legislature really help?</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>What happens when the abuser controls the children in a child custody case?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 18:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One important aspect of any family law case is the relative competence of the attorneys involved, the therapists involved, the judicial officer, and if appointed, counsel for the minor children.  It is not safe to assume that any one of these people necessarily know what they are doing in terms of being able to  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-3 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% / 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-3"><p>One important aspect of any family law case is the relative competence of the attorneys involved, the therapists involved, the judicial officer, and if appointed, counsel for the minor children.  It is not safe to assume that any one of these people necessarily know what they are doing in terms of being able to discern facts from fiction.</p>
<p>Assuming you have not hired an attorney to engage in a game of  who the best liar is, being able to get the truth across, and getting a judge to take notice of it, has a lot of challenges, among them several biases in favor of certain groups.</p>
<p>Among the most prevalent biases is favoritism toward the party who has at some point obtained an order for sole legal and physical custody.  This is a daunting advantage and if gained early on in the proceedings, becomes almost impossible to change for a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>Among the most important reasons is that a child who is completely controlled by one parent can be forced to say or do anything that parent wants.  For example, when a child suddenly becomes estranged from the parent  and cannot provide any plausible explanation, it should not be assumed their estrangement is the result of actual events.  There are large groups out there who have slogans such as &#8220;believe the children&#8221; which, on the surface, is something we all want to agree with. The reality is something different.  Children say things that are not true, and they say them often out of fear.</p>
<p>The technique used by the abusive parent goes like this: early in the proceedings, she or he starts to lobby the children, denigrating the other parent, threatening the children, using guilt or lies.  Once the children start to become estranged, the abusive parent might employ a therapist, delivering the children to the therapist after lengthy efforts to get to them to say what they want them to say.  Each time that same parent drops the child off with the therapist, they are carefully prepared by that parent to say the things they want them to say: usually some fabricated allegations of abuse of some kind that the targeted parent must then apologize for.</p>
<p>Even children who are abused want to see their parents. In one case, a child was beaten so severely he had bruises all across his body.  He still missed and loved his dad and was given visits three times a week only a few months after pleading guilty to injury to a child.</p>
<p>Another parent, having never done anything like this (and the mother being caught on video savagely beating the oldest some years back) has only one weekly visit for 8 hours, almost five years later.  Each time, incompetent minor&#8217;s counsel and incompetent therapists obsessively attack him for being &#8220;at war with reality&#8221; while making excuses for the mother.</p>
<p>In these cases, the sign that children are estranged for no apparent reason isn&#8217;t evidence of abuse by the &#8220;out&#8221; parent, it&#8217;s evidence of which parent they are afraid of, and that is the parent they have to live with.  The court process, having failed to protect the children from their abuser, then enlists the aid of various therapists or counsel for the minor children who are then told by the children what the &#8220;in&#8221; parent has told them to say.  What would you do if you were one of those children?  Would you challenge the parent who you know you are going home to live with? I know I wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Although one would think it would be obvious to any impartial observer, all the prejudices and biases that come into play are present.  Among them is arrogance combined with ignorance.  The idea that a person can tell a liar by talking to them and using their intuition is a catastrophic mistake.  Ignoring video evidence of an abusive parent, making excuses for them, and believing that such a parent would only do that once is hard to defend.  But it happens.</p>
<p>We need to only look more deeply into this issues to realize that taking things at face value that children say is a very dangerous business.  Most of the time they are saying one thing but telling us another.  We just have to have the skills to actually listen.</p>
</div></div></div></div></div></p><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/what-happens-when-the-abuser-controls-the-children-in-a-child-custody-case/">What happens when the abuser controls the children in a child custody case?</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation and emotional abuse in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, or sanity. It is often employed by individuals who have Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) or other personality disorders.  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation and emotional abuse in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, or sanity. It is often employed by individuals who have Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) or other personality disorders. Credit to the Bay Area Cognitive Behavior Therapy Center for this information. Please see the link below for their piece. This is a GREAT article.</p>
<p>DARVO is an acronym that stands for Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. It describes a manipulative tactic often used by abusers to avoid accepting responsibility for their actions and shift the blame onto their victims.</p>
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<p><iframe class="wp-embedded-content" sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted"  title="&#8220;Reverse DARVO For Combating Gaslighting and Emotional Abuse&#8221; &#8212; Bay Area CBT Center" src="https://bayareacbtcenter.com/reverse-darvo-for-combating-gaslighting-and-emotional-abuse/embed/#?secret=97gJivqxr4#?secret=NJ2gVDyj1p" data-secret="NJ2gVDyj1p" width="600" height="338" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no"></iframe></div><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/darvo-explanation-for-victims-of-narcissists-during-divorce/">DARVO explanation for victims of narcissists during divorce</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>Divorced Parenting During Covid-19</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Video on Divorced Co-Parenting During Covid-19 A client of mine asked me to sit down and answer some questions about the challenges of divorced parenting during Covid-19. The video is below but keep in mind this is not an easy topic to address as there really is no set standard yet. Hopefully my answers  [...]]]></description>
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<p>A client of mine asked me to sit down and answer some questions about the challenges of divorced parenting during Covid-19. <a href="https://youtu.be/akGE9aFJfkM">The video is below</a> but keep in mind this is not an easy topic to address as there really is no set standard yet. Hopefully my answers are helpful for those trying to understand the nature of the family law situation as it relates to Covid-19. Stay safe.</p>
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<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=0s">0:00</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> How has divorce and co-parenting changed since Covid-19? </span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=107s">1:47</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> Have parents refused to exchange kids due to Covid-19 concerns? </span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=142s">2:22</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> How have judges reacted to parents who refuse to follow Court Orders?</span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=190s">3:10</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> Have couples been pushed to divorce over disagreements on the danger of Covid-19?</span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=251s">4:11</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> Should divorced parents consider filing legal action against the other parent if they have health concerns?</span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=342s">5:42</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> Is co-parenting/parallel parenting a method to be used for resolving disputes?</span></li>
<li><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" spellcheck="false" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGE9aFJfkM&amp;t=376s">6:16</a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto"> Are there are other options, besides going to Court, for couples who have major disagreements about the dangers of Covid-19?</span></li>
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<h2>Full Video</h2>
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</div></div></div></div></div><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/divorced-parenting-during-covid-19/">Divorced Parenting During Covid-19</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wallace Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2020 20:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As of the writing of this article, 6,000 Americans will have died from COVID19. We are constantly being provided advice from multiple sources. The only thing good about being an attorney who practices the way I practice is that I have a somewhat better ability in discerning what is known, what is not known, and  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-5 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:calc( 1200px + 0px );margin-left: calc(-0px / 2 );margin-right: calc(-0px / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:0px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:0px;--awb-spacing-left-small:0px;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-5"><p>As of the writing of this article, 6,000 Americans will have died from COVID19. We are constantly being provided advice from multiple sources. The only thing good about being an attorney who practices the way I practice is that I have a somewhat better ability in discerning what is known, what is not known, and what is unknowable.  At least I like to think so.</p>
<p>I am going to assume that you believe there is a real threat out there and that you understand if you catch this virus, it can kill you, and there is a chance you can catch it. If you don&#8217;t believe this, move along.</p>
<p>If you believe this, let&#8217;s look at some of the big issues:</p>
<h1>Masks</h1>
<p>At first they tell us don&#8217;t wear them, because they should only be worn by sick people. They won&#8217;t protect us because we are too stupid to put them on correctly, and oh, by the way, we need them for health care workers who ARE somehow protected by them. Got that? I already had bought a few N95 masks before I heard that stupid advice, and I wore them anyway. Because why? How could it hurt? The answer, it couldn&#8217;t. Other than the looks I got from people who think they know better because they read that awesome advice. Now the CDC is recommending everyone wear masks, N95 or not.  I offered my sister, who heads up Infection Control at a Santa Clara hospital one after she showed me the gauze mask they gave her.  She told me they wouldn&#8217;t let her wear it.</p>
<h1>Washing your groceries</h1>
<p>For a guy who at times has found it difficult to take a shower, washing my groceries is not on my list. But the various advice has been this: wash them, don&#8217;t wash them, disinfect them, don&#8217;t disinfect them. The virus lives on surfaces for days. You can&#8217;t get them from surfaces. JUST ASSUME YOU CAN GET IT FROM A SURFACE. Why? Because what is the advantage of assuming that is not true? None. Zero. Nada. There is no risk to you, but tremendous risk otherwise. This comes to my final observation.</p>
<h1>Social Distancing</h1>
<p>If you stay home and don&#8217;t leave for the next month or so, you probably can&#8217;t get COVID19. Isn&#8217;t that why you got 90 rolls of TP from Costco and forty cans of tuna? If you went out and doomsday prepped your house, why are you leaving it? While you will need to sort out true from false in navigating the outside world, the coronavirus is going to come into your house <strong>with a person</strong>. That person will have gone out somewhere and been around other people. This means that we don&#8217;t need (though we certainly want) the most advanced medicine known to man, or a hazmat suit, or anything other than the wherewithal to stay home and don&#8217;t leave.</p>
<p>I know that is easier said than done. I go to my office several times a week. The office is almost always empty, and when it is not, I am locked in my office with a mask and gloves when I venture to the bathroom.</p>
<p>The point I am trying to make is that we already know what we need to know to protect ourselves. The real issue is measuring the relative risk. Do I need another 90 rolls from Costco when I have sixty rolls right now? Do I need a .45 handgun when the crime rate has dropped 65%?  Panic buying a gun seems like the worst possible thing to do. I guess you are more likely to shoot the instacart guy than stop a home invasion robber if you have never even fired it.  Similarly, what are the odds of me dying from COVID19 as opposed to starving? Think about it.  The real danger is NOT overreacting.</p>
<p>Given the fact that the federal government has virtually abandoned us, except to send us a check for $1200 within the next six weeks, having first denied it was a problem, then told us it will be all good by Easter and now 100,000 people are going to die, it&#8217;s pretty safe to say we are on our own.  In a hypothetical situation where I was offering advice, this is what I would do.  This article is not legal advice.<br />
-Wallace Francis</p>
</div></div></div></div></div></p><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/the-only-protection-you-have-against-coronavirus-is-information/">The only protection you have against Coronavirus is information</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>Divorce, shelter-in-place and COVID19: get advice now</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wallace Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since Californians have started to shelter-in-place my office has seen an uptick in telephone calls requesting information about divorce, custody, wills and trusts.  With the loss of employment, the pressure created by social distancing and everyone at home, the cracks that may have already existed in the foundation of your relationship have almost certainly  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-6 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:calc( 1200px + 0px );margin-left: calc(-0px / 2 );margin-right: calc(-0px / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:0px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:0px;--awb-spacing-left-small:0px;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-6"><p>Since Californians have started to shelter-in-place my office has seen an uptick in telephone calls requesting information about divorce, custody, wills and trusts.  With the loss of employment, the pressure created by social distancing and everyone at home, the cracks that may have already existed in the foundation of your relationship have almost certainly increased in size.  The reality of your relationship, and who is on your team and who is not, will or has become plain to see.</p>
<p>During moments like this we reveal ourselves and find out who has our back and who does not.  The bright side is that this is also a time that brings people together.  This is a chance to find strength together and build a new future that can and will arise out of the ruins of the present.  In my job, I help people plan for a future that may not be like the past.</p>
<p>The reality is that tens of thousands of Americans will die from COVID19 and we have no guarantees about when and how this pandemic will end.  Millions have been thrown out of work.  This is a time of great uncertainty.  The courts are not even open for most issues and there is no guarantee when they will open. Now is a chance to plan.</p>
<p>Instead of calling or messaging an attorney like me while having an emotional response, plan for the future.  First, you should have a trust and a plan for the worst case scenario.</p>
<p>The grim reality is that Americans of all ages are dying of COVID19.  In one month, 6,000 people have died. 1,000 people died only yesterday.  The coronavirus has a fatality rate ten times greater than the flu, which kills tens of thousands of <em>vaccinated</em> Americans each year and for which many people have immunity. Nobody is immune to the Coronavirus and there is no vaccine. <em>Do not believe anybody who thinks this is not a big deal. </em></p>
<p>I grew up in a family of physicians.  My father was a doctor and his father was a doctor.  My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse.  My sister is the head of infection control in a hospital in Santa Clara.  I am not a doctor, but I am familiar with the science.  I am certain if my dad were alive today he would be telling people that this is unlike any threat you have ever faced in your entire life.  The virus is out there, twice as infectious as the flu and far deadlier.  Don&#8217;t be stupid.</p>
<p>I have a family as well and I also need to survive during this difficult time.  If you are calling me for advice, please make the phone appointment and keep it.  Please be willing to pay a nominal fee for my advice.  Please do not contact me if you have no intention of following up.  I am generous with my time and advice. I only ask that you respect me as a fellow human being who is also navigating this crisis.</p>
<p><strong>As I have stated before, I offer free trusts for any health care worker who is exposed to COVID19 patients.  I am doing my part. Please do yours.</strong></p>
<p>-Wallace Francis</p>
</div></div></div></div></div></p><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/divorce-shelter-in-place-and-covid19-get-advice-now/">Divorce, shelter-in-place and COVID19: get advice now</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>Domestic violence and COVID19</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With people losing their jobs and schools being closed, and finally, a "shelter in place" order,  tensions may arise in a domestic situation.  Where domestic violence exists in a home, abused partners or spouses may feel they have nowhere to turn.  If you are your loved ones are in danger you can ask for,  [...]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-7 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:calc( 1200px + 0px );margin-left: calc(-0px / 2 );margin-right: calc(-0px / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-6 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:0px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:0px;--awb-spacing-left-small:0px;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-7"><p>With people losing their jobs and schools being closed, and finally, a &#8220;shelter in place&#8221; order,  tensions may arise in a domestic situation.  Where domestic violence exists in a home, abused partners or spouses may feel they have nowhere to turn.  If you are your loved ones are in danger you can ask for, and receive, a domestic violence restraining order that will exclude the abusive partner or spouse from the residence.  With all the considerations that come into play, a person must be aware of this option if they need it.</p>
<p>An interesting Washington Post article HERE explores this issue.</p>
</div></div></div></div></div></p><p>The post <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com/domestic-violence-and-covid19/">Domestic violence and COVID19</a> first appeared on <a href="https://www.wallacefrancis.com">Northern California Attorney Wallace Francis</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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